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r/wallstreetbetsr/wallstreetbets· u/44seconds· 19 小时前Discussion 0

DJT 是不是搞砸了美国 AI 产业?

投资者摘要看空

美国对顶级 AI 模型的限制,正让更便宜、能力强大的中国大语言模型抢占市场份额。

看多要点
  • 中国大模型以远低于美国模型的成本提供接近前沿的智能。
  • 美国对 OpenAI 和 Anthropic 的限制为替代 AI 提供商创造了市场真空。
看空要点
  • 由于政府禁令,美国前沿实验室在 GPU 上投入数千亿却收效甚微。
  • 中国公司正成功从受限的美国模型中蒸馏能力,以在全球展开竞争。
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Listen up regards, cuz I know that thick skull is hard to get through.

2 weeks ago, Antropic's latest Claude Mythos 5 & Fable models got banned. Today news came out that this was "partially rolled back", but Mythos 5 is available to only 100 select companies.

Same deal different shit, OpenAI's 5.6 has also been restricted.

Problem is, these frontier labs have spent hundreds of billions now investing in GPUs and research, with nothing to show for it. Dario admitted himself that people pay for models with the highest intelligence.

https://preview.redd.it/uuztmvjjc0ah1.png?width=1440&format=png&auto=webp&s=b9b0c19f74de4ff95b5e0f8d5495d0163a2af189

We all know OpenAI & Anthropic trained these models on every piece of data not nailed down. But the problem is, Chinese AI companies are turning around and distilling from these big AI corpos.

GLM, Deepseek, Moonshot Kimi, MiniMax, Stepfun, Baidu Ernie, Alibaba Qwen, Xiaomi Mimo, Tencent, you name it.

Seems like everyone and their mom has a frontier LLM now. And now GLM 5.2 is near frontier level, with less than 5 percentage points difference from Opus 4.8 Medium-effort. But costs basically a fraction of Claude.

https://preview.redd.it/2d4eflz9e0ah1.png?width=2500&format=png&auto=webp&s=5f3798cd228ac827187e8cb2878042fb8a71b9fb

GLM 5.2 costs $4.4 per million output, while Opus 4.8 costs $25 per million output, nearly 85% lower cost.

Obviously everyone wants to use Fable/ChatGPT-5.6, but if you can't, and you're stuck at Opus 4.8, why shouldn't you just costs by 85%?

And if Fable/Mythos/ChatGPT-5.6 get unbanned? I'm betting open source LLM labs will just distill them again...

Now we have OpenAI is delaying their IPO, until maybe 2027 to clean up their balance sheet, I somehow don't think any of these frontier labs will ever make a single cent.

Could be just like the airline industry:

  1. Massive capital costs (GPUs versus Planes)
  2. Relatively fixed per user costs (No more SAAS cost reduction)
  3. Basically commodity products (you got a small percentage of people paying for first class & super duper intelligence, while the rest of us plebs fly economy class on whoever is cheapest)
  4. Tight security (manual identity verification versus TSA pat down)
  5. Capital equipment leasing companies (Hyperscalers versus Aircraft Leasing Companies)

So what happens next?

OpenAI & Anthropic have their premium models basically banned, you got open source LLM companies being only a few months behind. Costs are not coming down, and these companies need to IPO to so retails can pass this onto the next sucker.

https://preview.redd.it/izezsc3wg0ah1.png?width=1347&format=png&auto=webp&s=ef2394e8285598ace92a2c86087cb2c198a5848b

Position: Puts on every AI company once they IPO 🐒

讨论 · 高赞评论15 条精选
u/I_killed_the_kraken 2· 19 小时前

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u/banaca4 1· 14 小时前

Usually my most hated comments historically produce the best predictions and results. I should make a graph. It means hatred because you blindly wish what I say isn't true.

u/SamosaSniper 1· 18 小时前

It would be easy to put my brain in a blender 😄

u/xtrmist 1· 19 小时前

Tldr: AI costs too high, therefore AI is the same as airplanes. Therefore AI = bad investment because old man says airlines = bad investment.

Also Trump limits expensive models which means it's an even worse investment

Truly regarded but at least it's not AI slop. Kudos for that.

Calls it is.

u/amoo17 1· 19 小时前

idk I think this is good analysis and maybe explains why Buffett is hoarding cash and making a gamble that the S&P is overvalued at the same time he goes on tv and tells America thats there a lot of gambling going on rn.

u/wallstreetbets-ModTeam 1· 19 小时前

No positions? No post.

This isnt talkaboutbets.

u/willdosketchythings 1· 19 小时前

Village idiot

u/PenguinOfB00m 1· 19 小时前

Cybersecurity. That's all really.

u/Fit_Olive_3212 1· 19 小时前

I liked the use of driverless machines in farming when they can work 24/7 pretty much

u/GreedPrisons 1· 19 小时前

Excellent overview!

u/AdHappy7129 1· 19 小时前

AI goes down the drain? Good. That crap is gonna destroy us and our banana stock market.

u/pellik 1· 19 小时前

So I should short Del Monte and Dole?

u/Fun-Measurement-2612 1· 19 小时前

https://preview.redd.it/2lsg2t8yl0ah1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0e1542be9a93f3d02576ab260472ac901d60e99c

"guys i know AI still hasn't crashed since 2022, but i promise AI is gonna crash tomorrow due to facts that are absolutely new and not in the price already"

u/TeddyKGB30A 1· 19 小时前

This guy is not only regarded, he full on.....

You know what lets let him cook. He belongs here

u/Calvertorius 1· 19 小时前

Physical AI? Sounds like calls on encyclopedia britanica.