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r/valueinvestingr/valueinvesting· u/LiquidBandit· 3 天前Discussion 11

$CRM 是否正以内在价值的 60% 进行交易?

投资者摘要看多

作者的 DCF 模型测算 $CRM 每股价值 248 美元,远高于当前 150 美元,理由包括强劲的 FCF、大规模回购及 AI 营收激增。

看多要点
  • DCF 估值显示股票存在显著折价(当前股价仅为内在价值 248 美元的 61%)。
  • 管理层授权了 250 亿美元的债务融资大规模回购,彰显对股票被低估的信心。
  • AI 业务加速增长,Agentforce 年化经常性收入达到 12 亿美元,同比增长 205%。
看空要点
  • 250 亿美元的债务融资回购增加了利息支出,导致自由现金流增长预期被下调。
  • 由于新增债务导致资产负债表调整项出现显著负值(-196.7 亿美元),降低了计算出的股权价值。
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高质量模型翻译结果

Salesforce 的过去十二个月自由现金流约为 146.6 亿美元。管理层指引 FY2027 自由现金流增长率为 4% 至 5%。资产负债表调整项为 -196.7 亿美元,计算方式为现金、可交易证券及战略投资减去债务,其中包括因 250 亿美元债务融资回购股票所产生的新增债务。

使用简单的贴现现金流模型:

  • 初始自由现金流:146.6 亿美元
  • 五年增长率:5%
  • 终值增长率:2.5%
  • 折现率:10%
  • 资产负债表调整项:-196.7 亿美元
  • 流通股数:81.9 亿股

由此估算出的股权价值约为 2030 亿美元,即每股 248 美元。而 $CRM 当前股价约为 150 美元,相当于计算得出的内在价值的约 61%。

Salesforce 还有几项优势:

管理层批准了一项大规模股票回购计划,表明他们认为股价被低估了。

FY2027 年第一季度营收同比增长 13%,达到 111 亿美元,其中订阅与支持收入同比增长 14%。自由现金流增长展望下调,主要反映了 250 亿美元债务融资回购带来的还债支出。

Salesforce 正在成为人工智能领域的重要参与者。截至 FY2027 年第一季度,Agentforce 的年度经常性收入(ARR)已达 12 亿美元,同比大增 205%。

讨论 · 高赞评论15 条精选
u/Hi_Keyboard_Warriors 8· 2 天前

80% SaaS companies are a big BUY in this market and CRM in that 80%.

u/goosen19 2· 2 天前

They’ve brought multiple customers on to the past two earnings calls to talk about how they’re using agentforce

u/Old_Man_Heats 1· 1 天前

Sweet, the next thing on my list to do was to listen to the last few earnings calls and read the reports

u/SilliestGooseOG 2· 2 天前

NOW is better

u/Ok-Recommendation925 1· 2 天前

NOW too has an AI Agent.

But as I mentioned in another comment, I agree it is better because their main goal is to transform their value proposition (which they have been at it for awhile back) from just an ITSM Platform, into a workflow control tower layer, overseeing and deploying various Agentic Agents across workflows.

If ServiceNow was just relying purely on NowAssist, like how Salesforce is relying on AgentForce, I would not have bought in as much as I had.

Their expanded and growing platform layer, with their increased partnerships, will ensure they emerge one of the winners when the dust settles.

u/SilliestGooseOG 2· 2 天前

Yep, growth is also much higher and customer retention is very high fundamentals looo better it’s a richer valuation but historically NOW has always been very high valuation so this is now relative to it. I don’t see ai replacing service now but I could see margin compression

u/Ok-Recommendation925 1· 2 天前

Yep agreed you can't vibe code a platform, let alone a stable and trusted platform. For the same target audience as ServiceNow. You will need years for that, but also for credibility and time in generating that.

And yea, I do agree the margin compressions are real. Hence why every SaaS gets re-rated. And this all SaaS, including ServiceNow, are brought back to the starting point of a "Show-me" race, to see which SaaS company survives this AI Industrialization.

u/Glittering_Water3645 1· 21 小时前

You have to adjust their net income, PE and so on for their stock based compensation (which is a reale expense). Salesforce is close to fair value for me at a forward PE of 20 (adjusted for SBC).

u/OpeningAverage 1· 1 天前

Agentforce includes Slack which is becoming the AI OS, basically a message bus for AI agents to work together

u/LiquidBandit 1· 1 天前

I'm imagining something like Cursor, but with access to enterprise data instead of a code repo. Plus, they own Slack and few other tools, that could be a good fit for AI agent automation

u/debugging_fedor 1· 2 天前

I came to the same conclusion from my analysis. I'm already up $9.9.

u/GainDelicious1894 1· 1 天前

Buy CRM full port!

u/Ok-Recommendation925 1· 2 天前

The only danger to the CRM revival thesis is that Anthropic and OpenAI enter a pricing war which further decreases tokenized costs, allowing greater access to their LLMs and leading to more Agentic AI build-outs. Which in turn threatens existing premiums for AgentForce, and anyone else thinking that integration of AI into their software means building their own AI Agent.....

u/Extension_Sleep_2296 1· 1 天前

They have their own xLAM model plus the lower token prices would probably increase the margins so that’s bullish for Agentforce

u/notreallydeep 1· 2 天前
Is $CRM trading at 60% of its intrinsic value?

No.