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r/stockmarketr/stockmarket· u/Prudent-Corgi3793· 6d agoDiscussion 0

The "bull case" for SpaceX: re-running the Tesla dilution playbook?

Investor summaryBearish

Questions SpaceX's $1.75T IPO valuation, comparing it to Tesla's history of enriching shareholders via dilution rather than profitability.

Bear points
  • SpaceX's $1.75T valuation implies a 100x P/S ratio despite being unprofitable and having only 15% y/y growth.
  • Tesla's historical success was driven by stock issuance and valuation expansion rather than actual net income or fundamental business operations.
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There has been considerable discussion about the valuation of several upcoming IPOs, including the most imminent, Space Exploration Technologies (SpaceX). At a $1.75 trillion valuation, it would command an unprecedented 100-times price-to-sales ratio despite being unprofitable and a relatively modest 15% y/y growth rate for a company that is being priced for hypergrowth. How does one justify such a rich valuation?

Well, one simply cannot from the fundamentals or any reasonable expectations of future earnings or cash flows. But a comparison to the Tesla playbook may provide insight into the "bull case".

Typically, companies return value to shareholders by paying a dividend or buying back stock. Tesla famously has never done either. In that sense, it isn't a car company. But it isn't an energy, autonomous, or robotics company either. Its most lucrative venture has been selling stock--literally. Since its inception, it has issued $24.22 billion in shares, mostly frontloaded at the most times in its corporate lifecycle. In contrast, despite being a mature company, it has only made a cumulative $38.48 billion in net income, which would count as a decent quarter for the likes of Nvidia, Google, Apple, and Microsoft. Nonetheless, its shareholders--at least those who bought in before it entered the S&P 500--have been greatly rewarded.

How did this happen? Back in late 2018, Tesla was growing revenues at a dizzing clip--over 100% y/y--and after nearly a decade of unprofitability, logged its first two quarters of GAAP profitability. But when this trend rapidly decelerated and even reversed briefly in early 2019, the short sellers came piling in. This was a precarious time for Tesla. It had yet to meet the criteria necessary for S&P 500 inclusion, which included a full year (trailing 12 months) of GAAP profitability, and its stock was trading at justifiably high nosebleed valuations (Fig. 1) with a net debt position (Fig. 2), exacerbated further by junk bond credit status.

Fortunately for Tesla, its entry into China and the rollout of the Model Y helped reaccelerate its revenues in mid-2019 and 2020 and catapulted it into sustained GAAP profitability, along with entry into the S&P 500. Suddenly, short sellers were scrambling to cover their positions, and in the ensuing squeeze, Tesla stock approached a P/E ratio of nearly 1000. The company used this opportunity to aggressively dilute their shareholders, issuing a total of $12.89B in shares in CY2020--a truly massive amount considering that the company's cumulative net income to this point was -$5.95 billion.

This meant that Tesla's credit was no longer junk bond, but BBB investment grade, allowing them to go from paying interest expenses to actually generating interest income and speculating on other investments like digital assets (you know what I mean, trying to avoid the automod filter). Because my data source does not itemize specifically for quarterly interest income, I am using non-operating income as a proxy (Fig. 3). This came as a forutnate time because 2022 came as a downturn in both bond prices and digital asset prices.

Even to this day, as Tesla has matured, these share issuances represents a bigger infusion than any operating income (Fig. 4) or net income (Fig. 5) it has ever generated in any quarter, save for one single non-cash accounting benefit of $5.9 billion. It has fueled their stock based compensation (Fig. 6), as well their relatively modest overall capital expenditures and R&D (Figs. 7-8) given their grand ambitions.

This has been sufficient to keep Tesla's stock afloat even though it is no longer the hypergrowth company of 2019-20, even though revenues remain flat and declining, and even though eroding margin have resulted in drastically shrinking profits since 2022. But I don't know if Tesla shareholders--who self-select for a crowd who care about narrative over fundamentals, who care about pumping share price over earnings growth--actually mind. Those who bought in at IPO in 2010 have dramatically outperformed the market. Those who bought in after it joined the S&P 500 have trailed VOO by 35.50% cumulatively and experienced greater volatility than even UPRO (3x levered VOO), but generally seem happy with it.

What does that mean for SpaceX?

  • Its stock may not come back to earth (literally) for many years even if it never generates a meaningful profit
  • It is almost certain existing shareholders get diluted if its valuation remains
  • Issuing stock may be as important to the company as its purported business
  • The long-term plan is to unload more stock to retail and index fund investors
  • Be very careful when going excessively short on a stock
Discussion · top comments15 selected
u/FuzzyLojik 34· 6d ago

This stock is stupid and overvalued. I would never buy it. But exactly because of that and in light of this weird flipped upside down world I will probably buy a few shares to test my theory that black is white an up is down.

u/WillTheGreat 9· 6d ago

It’s stupidly overvalued because there’s an extreme demand for the small float that is available in the open market. Its expected share float is half that of a typical IPO. Even in the event the stock sells off, no one would make money chasing puts or there wouldn’t even be enough shares available for short creating a short squeeze.

The best play for the investment would is to let Elon’s company die a natural death. Both Tesla and SpaceX valuation are propped up by greed

u/LSD_OVERDOSE 22· 6d ago

It's really good to compare it to Tesla, I always refused to buy TSLA because the company makes no sense and since its entry I always tought that it's waaay overvalued.

The thing is that, somehow the company is still here and it's still valued highly, most probably same thing will happen with SpaceX.

u/ProofByVerbosity 7· 6d ago

Yup. I missed out on TSLA from $100 - $300 before thw split because I couldnt wrap my head around how the valuation was even from this universe.

u/PotadoLoveGun 5· 6d ago

Tesla had a 2.5B marketcap give or take in 2010. EXXON had a 400B marketcap so less than 1% of the largest company in the world.

Nvidia is 5T currently..so equivalent would if SpaceX IPO'd at 50B, not 1.75T

SpaceX has a marketcap of 1/3 of the market's largest company NVDA. NVDA has 12x revenue and makes 120B in Net vs -5B for SpaceX.

This is not the same

u/zmagickz 5· 6d ago

that line of thinking is what is gonna make it not work this time around, right?

but then my line of thinking ensures it works this time around

u/Senior-Preference678 19· 6d ago

SpaceX needs to grow 600x in a decade to justify a $1.75 trillion valuation. No company has ever come close!

https://finance.yahoo.com/markets/stocks/articles/spacex-needs-grow-60x-decade-070000488.html

u/Skellicious 7· 6d ago

Elon Doest need to justify his made up valuations. He has blind followers, can get the rules rewritten, and has a lot of rich early co-investors to give marketing the stock another push too.

u/Jewmangi 12· 6d ago

If spacex brings 2T dollars of gold into earth, they do not have 2T of gold.

Post-mineral scarcity is neat but aluminum used to be extremely valuable until we figured out how to get more

u/ktaktb 10· 6d ago

cringed my dick off

u/m0nk_3y_gw 4· 5d ago

SpaceX has no technology or plans to reach asteroids.

SpaceX has no technology or plans to mine asteroids.

SpaceX provides launch services to AstroForge, who aim to mine asteroids.

SpaceX is bundled in with a child-porn generating AI. SpaceX DOES have plans to have a million 'data centers' in space so they can generate illegal content outside of earth jurisdiction. Space is not data-center friendly.

u/LSD_OVERDOSE 4· 6d ago

If you believe so

u/Sure_Job_4484 4· 6d ago

Maybe, but not every high multiple story gets to be Tesla

u/Greedyanda 4· 6d ago

One of the main points of the stock exchange is to give companies the ability to issue shares and raise capital. The market has been turned so much into a gambling site for retail investors that this has seemingly been forgotten.

u/WillTheGreat 3· 5d ago

Valid, I do think they’re both will exist but what I mean by dying a natural death is essentially saying the less we care about their stock the more its stock prices them at fair valuation. Again their valuation is propped up my artificial supply constraints and greed