Should these closed-ended funds Gabelli Equity Trust Inc., Gabelli Utility Trust, and Gabelli Healthcare & Wellness Trust be sold and put into something else?
Seeking advice on whether to retain long-held Gabelli CEFs (GAB, GUT, GHY) for an 80+ year old investor focused on safety.
- Closed-end funds can provide consistent income streams suitable for retirees.
- Long-term holding period suggests potential compounding benefits despite fees.
- Sector-specific exposure (Utilities, Healthcare) offers defensive characteristics.
- High management fees and expenses associated with actively managed CEFs erode returns.
- Potential tax inefficiencies and capital gains implications upon selling after long hold.
- Complexity of CEF structures may not align with simple 'safe' investment goals for elderly.
So my mom has had these products for sometime now (about 9-12 years). I don't know who referred them to her, but wanted to know if she should keep them (untouched), or sell them off and put into different investment products. She's over 80s years old, and safe with here investments and looking for long term holds. just wanted everyone's opinions . Thank you
At 80+ the first question isnt whether these funds are good or bad. Its whether they still match the job her money has to do now.
Closed end funds can feel safe because the distribution keeps showing up. That can fool people because income hitting the account isnt the same thing as safety. A fund can pay every month while the principal underneath is still getting worn down.
I wouldnt sell them or keep them from Reddit replies off the names alone. You have to pull the statements & look at what she owns beside them. The account has to show income need, tax basis, total size & how much loss she can actually tolerate.
For someone in her 80s, safe long term holds start with the whole account, not three fund names.
I don't think she's going to find lower fee alternatives that pay out 7-10% p.a. So if she's used to living off those payouts, leave them alone.
The healthcare fund looks like an underperformer with a >3% expense ratio. I'd dump at least that one, and maybe the others if you want to simplify the portfolio, and I'd put the money into a short-duration bond fund. She might get a couple percent less annual income, but with less risk.
For closed end funds you should consider if they are trading at a discount or premium to NAV (Check this site.) That Utility one is trading at almost DOUBLE its NAV so if you were going to sell it, now is probably a good time. The other two are a little undervalued but nothing that would be a huge factor in holding if the money was better spent in something else.
These are CEFs ment for income, not growth. Their nav erosion seems concerning. Does she need the income now?
Those are pretty solid funds and pay dividends she can use to pay bills
At 80+, the priority should be capital preservation and income, not
long-term growth. A few things to check on those Gabelli CEFs:
- Expense ratios — Gabelli CEFs often run 1.5-3%+ ER. The Healthcare &
Wellness Trust (GRX) is over 3%. That's insanely high for an income
fund — it's eating into the distributions.
- NAV vs market price — If the Utility fund (GAU) is trading at a 2x
premium to NAV as someone noted, that's actually a decent time to sell.
CEFs can trade at big premiums that revert.
- NAV erosion — Over 9-12 years, if the NAV has been declining while
distributions are paid out, that's effectively returning her own capital.
If she needs the income, a better setup might be a simple mix of a
short-term bond ETF (BSV or SHY for stability) and a dividend-focused
equity ETF (SCHD or VYM) — total ER under 0.10%. Worth a discussion with
a fee-only advisor given the tax implications of selling.
Questo è un classico scenario in cui c’è un profondo scollamento tra gli obiettivi di una persona di ottant'anni, che cerca sicurezza e conservazione del capitale, e la natura reale degli strumenti finanziari che si trova in portafoglio. I tre fondi chiusi di Gabelli (GAB, GUT e GRX) sono prodotti molto specifici: sono famosi per distribuire cedole altissime, spesso intorno al 10%, ma lo fanno utilizzando la leva finanziaria, investendo in azioni e, cosa fondamentale, pagando i dividendi attingendo direttamente dal capitale quando i mercati non girano a dovere.
Se guardi i grafici storici degli ultimi dieci anni, noterai che il valore della quota di questi fondi tende a scendere nel tempo. Questo succede perché, per mantenere la promessa di quel dividendo così generoso, il fondo spesso "si mangia" se stesso. Per una persona della sua età che preferisce la stabilità, questo meccanismo è l'esatto opposto della sicurezza, perché espone i suoi risparmi alla volatilità del mercato azionario e a una lenta erosione del capitale investito.
Vendere tutto e subito potrebbe non essere la mossa ideale senza prima aver fatto un controllo fondamentale: l'aspetto fiscale. Avendo questi titoli da circa un decennio, bisogna verificare se la vendita genererebbe delle plusvalenze importanti su cui pagare le tasse, o se l'erosione del valore della quota ha creato delle minusvalenze. Questa verifica è il primo passo per capire come muoversi.
Se l'obiettivo reale è la conservazione del capitale a lungo termine abbinata a un rischio minimo, oggi il mercato offre alternative decisamente più adatte a una signora di ottant'anni. Si potrebbe valutare di spostare quella liquidità verso strumenti molto più protetti, come obbligazioni governative a breve o media scadenza, certificati di deposito o ETF obbligazionari diversificati. In questo modo si azzera il rischio legato alle oscillazioni delle azioni e della leva finanziaria, garantendo a tua madre la tranquillità e la sicurezza che sta cercando, senza la paura di vedere il proprio patrimonio rimpicciolirsi anno dopo anno.
The 80yo wants income. These are really the only people who should buy them. Still not what I would recommend, but the target market was correct here.
Probably good to concider rotating at least some funds to short term government bonds and even cash and maybe a nice little trip concidering her age.
I wonder how she came to be in these investments. It looks like they are very conservative. The Equity one seems to be mostly financials and industrials, and the Utility one is well, utilities. The Equity one seems to be doing remarkably poorly as well, underperforming the broader market by quite a bit (-8% this year somehow, +6% for the last year)
Given her age I don't think there's anything wrong with investing mostly in conservative stocks, but it looks like their expense ratio is about 1-1.5%, which seems really high to be doing that poorly.
I'd definitely think about swapping the money out of the funds. If you are wanting to minimize risk (as much as possible since it is still equities) you could look into something like USMV, which over-weights low volatility stocks. More to the point their expense ratio is 0.15%.
Not a financial professional but to be charging 1-1.5% expense ratio they should really have a good reason IMO.
The reason for the fees is that they are aiming to dish out 10% p.a. in dividend income. To make it easier for less savvy retirees to manage their retirement and slow down the drawing down of their principal.
USMV has dividend yield of 1.5% and isn't comparable at all.

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