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r/stocksr/stocks· u/HotDoor4125· 4d ago 0

Apple locked 450 million EU users out of its biggest Siri update ever

Investor summaryBearish

Apple is overvalued at $301 due to Siri AI delays, EU regulatory exclusions limiting its market, and CEO transition concerns.

Bull points
  • Exceptional business fundamentals with 29.3% ROIC, 47.9% gross margin, and $101B annual FCF.
  • Massive active device base of 2.2 billion providing a strong ecosystem moat.
Bear points
  • Stock is overvalued by 18-19% at $301 compared to a fair value estimate of ~$250.
  • Siri AI lacks a firm shipping timeline and excludes 450 million EU users due to DMA compliance, structurally limiting the addressable market.
  • CEO transition from Tim Cook to John Ternus introduces leadership uncertainty.
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Been following the WWDC situation today and wanted to share what the numbers actually look like underneath the headlines, because i think there are a few things worth separating out here.

Apple unveiled Siri AI at WWDC 2026, Tim Cook’s final keynote as CEO and the stock hit an all time intraday high of $317 yesterday morning then closed down around 2% at $301. The market was up on the day while Apple went the other way.

Two things drove the drop. First, no firm timeline on when Siri AI actually ships to users. The AI overhaul was first teased at WWDC 2024 and two years of delays later it’s still in beta with no hard date. Second, Apple confirmed Siri AI won’t be available in the EU or mainland China at launch. that’s roughly 450 million EU users locked out of the feature that was supposed to drive the next iPhone upgrade cycle.

here’s what the fundamental show:

ROIC: 29.3% (5yr avg: 23.9%)

Gross margin: 47.9%

FCF margin: 24.3%

Net margin: 26.9%

Revenue CAGR 5yr: 11.1%

P/E: 37.3x

Fair value estimate: \~$250 (using 9% discount rate)

Current price: \~$301

so even after today’s drop, my model puts Apple about 18-19% overvalued. The business itself is genuinely exceptional at 29% ROIC, $101B in annual free cash flow, 2.2 billion active devices. Nobody is questioning whether Apple is a great business however, the question is whether $301 is the right price for it.

the EU situation is the thing that bothers me most from a valuation standpoint. This isn’t just a feature delay, it’s regulatory risk becoming a permanent part of the business model. If Apple’s AI roadmap keeps running into DMA compliance issues in Europe, that’s a structural constraint on the addressable market for every major product launch going forward. Europe is not a small market.

There’s also the CEO transition happening in the background. Tim Cook is out, John Ternus is in. Ternus wasn’t even at the keynote today which is a weird signal for a guy about to take over the most valuable company in the world. Cook built the services revenue engine that transformed Apple’s margin profile. Whether ternus continues that or pivots back toward hardware is a genuine unknown.

the bull case is straightforward as services revenue just hit $31B in the most recent quarter, an all time high. The installed base of 2.2B devices creates a recurring revenue moat that compounds quietly regardless of what Siri does and the AI story, while delayed, isn’t dead. When it does ship properly it could still drive a meaningful upgrade cycle.

a few things i’m genuinely uncertain about. At 37x earnings for a company growing revenue at 11% annually, how much of the AI story is already priced in? and if the EU regulatory environment keeps expanding, how does that affect the long term services revenue trajectory in Europe specifically?

curious what people think about the valuation here post drop. Is $301 a buying opportunity or does the AI delay and EU risk justify waiting for a lower entry point?

Discussion · top comments13 selected
u/WunkerWanker 24· 4d ago

"This isn’t just a feature delay, it’s regulatory risk becoming a permanent part of the business model."

Thanks ChatGPT for this slop post.

u/FrostedGalaxy 6· 3d ago

But he told it to randomly not capitalize letters!

u/TTRango 3· 3d ago

it's always this sentence structure.

u/TakingChances01 2· 3d ago

Apple is not the most valuable company in the world.

u/Legitimate-Whole6856 2· 3d ago

The thing that keeps getting lost in these discussions: Apple isn't competing with OpenAI. Apple is competing with the idea that AI changes how people use their devices. If AI becomes the new interface layer, Apple has a challenge. If AI just becomes another feature inside existing apps, Apple's position looks a lot stronger than the headlines suggest.

u/HotDoor4125 1· 3d ago

the EU situation actually makes this more interesting since Apple’s AI is constrained in Europe precisely because of how deeply integrated it is across the OS. That integration is simultaneously its biggest strength in the feature scenario and its biggest regulatory vulnerability in the interface scenario.

u/softDisk-60 1· 3d ago

It doesn't have 450 million users. Any android phone has plenty ai

u/HotDoor4125 1· 3d ago

The 450 million figure is EU iPhone and iPad users specifically, not total smartphone users. Android users having AI alternatives doesn’t change that Apple is locking out its own existing customers in a major market

u/softDisk-60 1· 3d ago

Total iphone&ipad users in EU is ~125 M

u/HotDoor4125 1· 3d ago

the 450 million figure came directly from the European Commission sir. You’re wrong!

u/Tainlorr -4· 3d ago

This is why we invest in Americna stocks and not EU crap

u/skrrtwave 1· 3d ago

😂