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r/optionsr/options· u/Accurate-Exchange298· 1d ago 0

Picking Option strikes based on Delta is not enough - Volume profile can change your decision

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Argues relying solely on Delta for option strikes is flawed, using NVDA's Volume Profile to show it trading below its 30-day value area.

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We all pick option strikes based on standard rules we have set for ourselves – say DTE and Delta and if somebody asks you how you sell covered calls, your reply is: "I sell 30 delta puts" or "I sell 20 delta calls."

The next question they put to you is – "how has it worked so far for you?". And probably your reply is "Most of the time it works, but I do get assigned sometimes. It hurts to lose a stock I would like to keep." In case of Cash secured puts you might end up saying "I hate to get saddled with a stock I did not want."

The problem is that choosing strikes based solely on Delta (and partly gut feel) creates a blind spot that many of us are not aware of. We know the probability of a strike getting hit (because delta told us so), but it tells you nothing about where the volume actually traded over the past 30 days. Two strikes with identical deltas can have completely different real-world risk depending on what the volume chart looks like underneath them.

That's where volume profile comes in. If you've never used it: it's just the volume chart turned sideways. Instead of showing how much traded each day, it shows how much traded at each price. Thick bars are called shelves (prices where tons of shares changed hands, where lots of people have their cost basis, and where price tends to slow down and get sticky). Thin bars are called 'air pockets' (prices the market skipped through quickly and there is nothing to grab onto when the stock is falling).

Three numbers matter:

\- POC (Point of Control) — the single price with the most volume. Acts like a magnet.

\- Value Area High / Low — the band containing \~70% of all the volume.

If you look at the Volume profile on NVDA for the past 30 days on any trading tool, you will find that the the stock spent most of the past 30 days inside this band -

POC at 217.89

Value area high at 226.96

Value area low at 208.69

As of yesterday closing. NVDA at 205 is trading below the entire value area. Keep that in mind. The explanation below will hopefully change your perspective on how you sell covered calls and cash secured puts.

Covered call side (July 17, 36 DTE):

A pure delta seller looks at the chain and grabs the \~30 delta call: the 220 strike for \~$5.05, which is a decent premium. However, the 220 strike sits barely $2 above the POC at $217.89 which was the most traded price on the entire chart. If NVDA were to suddenly start rising, this POC price is exactly where it will gravitate to. Delta says 30% and treats every 220-area strike almost the same. The chart says your strike is parked $2 above the most-traded price of the past month — the exact level price gravitates to on any bounce.

In contrast, a 230 strike, \~21 delta, \~$2.88 is above the value area high at 226.96. For your shares to get called away, NVDA must bounce off the lows, and the price has to work its way through the entire value area, not to mention the sticky POC price of $217.9 where things slow down. Agreed that you collect less premium, but there is a higher likelihood of you getting to keep the shares of NVDA that you love to hold on to.

Cash-secured put side:

If you wanted to sell a cash secured put on a stock you wouldn't mind owning at the right price, you believe NVDA had been down for a while and it is easy money if you sold a \~30 delta put $10 below the current price, 195 strike for $5.80. This is the trap that you do not want to fall into.

What delta is telling you is that there is a 70% chance it will expire worthless and you get to keep $580.

NVDA has already fallen out of value area low at $208.69. There is no thick volume shelf directly underneath the current price. The heavy cost-basis support is above $205 (at $208.69), not below it. So that "70% safe" is no longer a safe bet.

So you have two choices. (A) go further down to the 190 strike (\~25 delta, \~$4.31) to buy additional safety cushion (B) wait for price to reclaim 208.69 and sell the put after there is a shelf under it again.

I stick to option (B) - Sometimes the best trade is not to trade at all till the time is right.

I pick a strike above the Value Area High price in case of covered call and a strike below the Value Area Low price, if and only if the stock has reclaimed the value area low (in this example, $208.69).

Will this method always provide the desired outcome? NO.

Earnings, geopolitical issues, overnight news ignore all levels on a chart. Volume profile shifts odds in your favor. Position sizing and your profit-taking rules still do most of the work.

Discussion · top comments30 selected
u/DitmCalls 10· 1d ago

Great, simple and straightforward explanation light on jargon!

u/Cell-Breaker 9· 1d ago

This post is why r/options is the best trading subreddit

u/Accurate-Exchange298 4· 1d ago

Thank you ... and yes , r/options is indeed the best .

u/Flat_Tire_Again 3· 1d ago

What’s your win rate and average return on risked capital?

u/Accurate-Exchange298 14· 1d ago

I do not give trade advice or discuss profits in general .. I will make an exception in this case because look like the post resonated with a lot of people. Suffice to say, I keep 8-10 positions at a time, and am able to get a minimum of 7-8% per month on a 300K investment .

Win rate is when you close a position.. I have been able to lower my cost basis because i do not wait till expiry and as a rule, I roll when DTE is between 14-21 , or my profit on the option is between 50-55% , whichever is earlier.

Have been able to navigate the ups and downs successfully . Would ne glad to share my currently open trades for July if you e-mail me in DM since I cannot post in excel.

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u/Zealousideal-Car6780 1· 11h ago

7% pm seems like you are taking high risks. Really only selling sub 20 delta options with no margin?

u/Accurate-Exchange298 1· 10h ago

I do not buy stocks that I do not want to keep. So I do manage the ups and down . In the pasy I have navigated ups and down as needed.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Optionswheel/comments/1trobdo/why\_an\_expensive\_buyback\_makes\_sense\_at\_times/

u/Dear_Counter_2944 1· 1d ago

I have been doing the same regarding rolling. Mind if I dm you as well? Started trading 5 years ago and into studying options and implementing them about 1.5-2 yrs. Getting ready to trade with a percentage more of my IRA , the rest will continue to be managed for now until I wet my feet a little bit more. I wanted to be 1000% prepared before I touched any of that acct. 😊

u/Accurate-Exchange298 1· 1d ago

You can DM me , no problem

u/Accurate-Exchange298 3· 1d ago

To be clear, this is not a trade advice . As you pointed out correctly, it is not universal since each trader has had different experiences. Your observation about back testing is duly acknowledged. Thanks

u/MetabolicPathway 2· 1d ago

It's the only "indicator" I use.

u/Accurate-Exchange298 2· 1d ago

Perfect .. I feel validated a bit . Thanks

u/FrostySignature135 2· 1d ago

Better than ALL of the paid “courses” we see online. Congrats!!!!

u/Accurate-Exchange298 1· 13h ago

Thank you for the kind words.

u/GuitarGuru2001 1· 1d ago

Just tried it as a view, it's under Chart Type as Session Volume Profile.

u/optimizeOptions 1· 1d ago

Is there a paper etc. to prove this? This would be a great statisctial advantage. Still, you are still betting on a directional move. Would be cool to combine this approach with identifiying overpriced IV (relative to the market and news, not IVR or IVP).

u/Accurate-Exchange298 1· 1d ago

I am not a trade advisor and anything here is based on my experience . i am not liable for any losses on anybody using this method.

The only proof is my actual trades because i use this strategy and it worked out well for me. The commenter had asked me about my returns and win rate etc: on my investment . This is what I replied -

"I do not give trade advice or discuss profits in general .. I will make an exception in this case because look like the post resonated with a lot of people. Suffice to say, I keep 8-10 positions at a time, and am able to get a minimum of 7-8% per month on a 300K investment .

Win rate is when you close a position.. I have been able to lower my cost basis because i do not wait till expiry and as a rule, I roll when DTE is between 14-21 , or my profit on the option is between 50-55% , whichever is earlier.

Have been able to navigate the ups and downs successfully . Would ne glad to share my currently open trades for July if you e-mail me in DM since I cannot post in excel.

,Remember , Deployed capital is decreasing with each monthly roll 😄, which will amplify the %return when you ask me next month."

u/Accurate-Exchange298 1· 13h ago

Thank you.

u/Accurate-Exchange298 1· 13h ago

Thank you for taking the time to respond to my post , providing additional insights that I think are important to keep in mind. I am not a trade advisor and have presented how I trade options and what has worked for me.

To me, POC, the Value High and Value Low act as guideposts when i am about to place a trade. Fully aware that they shift over time, especially during earnings, market events like CPI report, FOMC meetings etc,, i keep a close eye on my positions and manage them accordingly.

If there is a material shift in the bands, I do not hesitate to adjust my positions plus I have other rules in my options trading journal that gives me pretty meaningful alerts.

If you see the closing in my post, I have clearly stated that not all things go a planned , but one needs to be situationally-aware .

On the last point about market destroying trading patterns posted in public , I am not so sure I agree with this. If you count the number of studies and indicators in TOS, it will make your head spin.

MACD is still around, Strategies around Moving averages are still around and this one will be around too. People have preferences on what works for them.

But kudos to your for writing back. All the best .

u/Accurate-Exchange298 1· 1d ago

No really - You pick the strike a few dollars below the lower shelf, irrespective of the delta

u/Zealousideal-Car6780 1· 11h ago

You are implying thay MM consistlently miscalculate the option prices

u/Accurate-Exchange298 1· 1d ago

I do not use mobile. But I would be willing to share the the details and the thinkscript for a cofee 😄if you DM your email to me .

u/Dear_Counter_2944 1· 1d ago

Thank you ! But I have a question…. Sideways chart? I understand bolinger bands, rsi and macd in addition to delta as I’ve been studying selling options and practicing with a smallish account for about 1.5-2 years listening closely to multiple teachers online as well and merging all the info together to get myself comfortable enough to sell options with more of my IRA. Right now I haven’t touched that acct.

Sounds silly I know but what do you meant by sideways charts? 😂🤷♀️

Thanks in advance!

u/Accurate-Exchange298 1· 1d ago

Sideways means that the volume charts show horizontally instead of vertically. if you have TOS, , You should be able to add Volume chart.

https://preview.redd.it/gvrvzvo4nx6h1.png?width=1422&format=png&auto=webp&s=7156a36688441d224049fb8d87b4e04c2af04783

u/Accurate-Exchange298 1· 1d ago

You asked two questions ..

(1) Yes , I refresh the scan every day in TOS ..

(2) For the entire workbook, I face the same problem so i will work on a Python script that will take tickers from my trading journal and calculate the POC, Value High and Low. There are some nuances around the volume distribution ,that I am hashing out . The end result should be witin 1-1% of TOS .. But that is insignificant because we trade in zones around the POC . so should not be an issue. You can DM your e-mail and when I have it, I will send it to you , But you will need to installl Python on your machime.

u/Mammoth_Control_364 1· 1d ago

Lots of myths in your post. POC is one of the biggest. It's a furu favorite. No one on Wall Street watches POC.

u/Accurate-Exchange298 1· 1d ago

To each his own, with due respect. it works for me. No offense taken.

u/Ok_Freedom3290 1· 1d ago

Spot on. Just relying on Delta is basically trading blind because it assumes a normal distribution, completely ignoring structural liquidity. When you look at the volume profile, you see where the dealers are actually positioning their hedges. I track these volume profiles and order book imbalances in real-time on a terminal I built (https://alphasignal.digital). Seeing the actual bid/ask depth overlays alongside options block sweeps makes strike selection so much cleaner.

u/Accurate-Exchange298 1· 1d ago

Thank you .. It is great you have a tool for this too ..

u/Salty_Wasabi2893 1· 1d ago

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