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r/investingr/investing· u/OddNefariousness5993· 4d ago 11

A conversation with a colleague who believes he bought "2 whole Bitcoins"

Investor summaryBearish

The author argues Bitcoin lacks intrinsic value compared to fiat currency, which is backed by real debt and future production.

Bear points
  • Bitcoin is merely a digital ledger record without any underlying physical or economic asset.
  • Unlike fiat currency, Bitcoin lacks backing from real borrowers, loan contracts, or future productive capacity.
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A couple of months ago, a colleague proudly told me that he had purchased "2 whole bitcoins" for $80,000 each. I asked him to show them to me so I could see what he had spent $160,000 on.

He opened his wallet application and pointed to the screen, which displayed 2 BTC. When he claimed that those were his bitcoins, I disagreed, explaining that he was merely showing me a record.

To prove my point, I wrote "2 BTC" on a piece of paper, held it up, and joked that I had just created two bitcoins for free.

He laughed and objected, arguing that my paper note wasn't Bitcoin. He explained that Bitcoin only exists when a network of computers running the Bitcoin protocol records that someone has 2 BTC.

I accepted his premise and suggested we examine the entire Bitcoin system to see what we could find.

So there's are computers, software, cryptographic keys, blockchain records, including his own "2 BTC". Yet, despite looking through everything, something that could actually be defined as "two bitcoins" wasn't there. I pointed out to him that his purchase is nothing more than what I had written on the paper for free.

At that point, my colleague shifted the argument to fiat currency. He countered that if I had $1,000 in a banking app, he could similarly write "$1,000" on a piece of paper and have exactly the same thing for free.

I rejected his comparison and proposed that we examine the banking system the same way we did with Bitcoin. I explained that while we would find computers, software, and database records showing my 1,000 USD, we would also find the underlying loan contracts that created those dollars. We would find real borrowers who are legally required to repay those loans. Therefore, what I have is a claim on the future production of bank debtors.

I further explained that those debtors must provide actual goods, services, labor, or assets to earn the dollars needed to settle their debts. If they fail to do so, their property is seized and sold at a bank auction to honor the claim.

I noted that when he wrote "$1,000" on a piece of paper, he had only created symbols, not a claim on debtors and their property. Conversely, with his two bitcoins, I had created the exact same thing he showed me: just one number and three letters.

I concluded that modern snake-oil salesmens had convinced him to give up actual claims equivalent in value to four new cars for something that anyone can create instantly with a few strokes of a pen.

My colleague then stated that he didn't want to have this conversation anymore.

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