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r/stocksr/stocks· u/AggressiveAd9058· 2d agoCompany Discussion 53

Nike will be releasing earnings next week. Management already prepared us to not expect any major wins

Investor summaryBearish

Nike's upcoming earnings face low expectations due to self-inflicted strategic blunders, prolonged recovery timelines, and weak guidance.

Bull points
  • Management asserts the company retains fundamental advantages including brand equity, innovation, and global scale.
  • The recovery strategy relies on the North American market demonstrating underlying strength.
Bear points
  • Self-inflicted strategic blunders include over-reliance on DTC, market flooding, and abandoning sport performance identity.
  • Structural mismanagement in China and EMEA requires a longer and messier recovery timeline than expected.
  • Q4 revenue guidance of a 2-4% decline; falling below $10.6B would severely damage the turnaround thesis.
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A lot seems to have gone wrong with the company in recent years, and the worst part is that this seems to mostly have been self-inflicted.

  1. Went all in direct to consumer, cut wholesale partners, destroyed those relationships
  2. Flooded the market with AF1, AJ1, Dunks, and killed the heat on some of their best franchises
  3. They chased lifestyle revenue, and pretty much abandoned the sport performance identity (major strategic blunder imo).
  4. One of their worst moves was to build a fixed-cost infrastructure for a digital business that never ended up reaching the scale management projected.
  5. Misread China's channel dynamics and let inventory pile up across digital and wholesale simultaneously
  6. Its EMEA markets showed structural mismanagement, so the management's response was to paper over it with volume, rather than addressing structural causes of weakness.
  7. Tried to fix all of it at once from a position of weakened brand equity and elevated inventory everywhere which just worsened things for itself.

Management now insists that they are working to correct these misteps. The main thesis they're trying to push is that the company never lost its fundamental advantages (athlete relationships, innovation capability, brand equity, wholesale infrastructure, global scale, etc.) and all wrongs actually related to discipline.

In prior earning calls, they seem to be pretty explicit that the timeline is longer than they initially suggested and some geographies are messier than initially diagnosed. China and EMEA have structural weaknesses compared to North America, and require more time.

They have guided Q4 revenue to fall between 2% and 4% of last year Q4's total of $11.1 billion. If the reported revenue is below $10.6 billion, that's going to be really negative for the Nike. They're betting on the North American market showing strength, and if that does not play out, their thesis is breaking down.

I'm tracking \~24 specific milestones for the company in the upcoming earnings, and will be sharing updates if anyone is interested in them. Right now, shareholders will want to see that Nike can address past failures, and stick to the clean up thesis they are framing.

Personally, I think the stock is expensive right now at 28x forward earnings, especially since the best signal we could be given is that the fundamental decline is slowing, not reversing. I think that's a pretty thin foundation for a 28x multiple.

Discussion · top comments15 selected
u/Fritzkreig 28· 2d ago

Not an investor, and would not be one at this point!

u/AggressiveAd9058 5· 2d ago

Makes no sense to enter here. Only decision to make is to continue to hold, or sell

u/Astronaut_4_Hire 5· 2d ago

Or buy puts

u/8thSt 17· 2d ago

What a world we live in where Champions is a sought after brand, and Nike is a joke.

I grew up in a time where you could buy Champion at K-Mart.

Again, K-Mart, guys. IYKYK.

u/AggressiveAd9058 10· 2d ago

Kinda sad to see this decline. I remember reading Phil Knight's memoir Shoe Dog, and being amazed at how the company was started with a $50 loan from his father, and him selling shoes out of his car trunk at sports events. So many valuable business and entrepreneurial lessons, and this is how the next level of leadership is running down such an amazing brand down into the ground

u/DheeradjS 8· 2d ago

It's the simple result of Shareholder Value over anything. Short term gains after which everything can burn..

u/usumoio 15· 2d ago

I collect sneakers just a little bit and every 3rd video is about how sneaker culture is ending. I don't mind, I enjoy them as a fashion accessory and would prefer lower prices for them provided the quality remains, but yeah, this trend is likely not good for the company making all those shoes

u/Uesugi1989 10· 2d ago

I am not sure though how nike was even profiting from the hype beast era. Resellers were the ones making a killing, nike was selling their shoes at retail prices

u/usumoio 5· 2d ago

Me neither. I actually wear the shoes so I don't know much about the business side of all this.

I'd be surprised if resellers were making a killing though. Most of the videos I see of them are dudes clearly in their parents' house

u/TheGrimSpecter 8· 2d ago

This is exactly why I'm leaning short into earnings. A 28x forward P/E seems hard to justify when management is guiding for stabilization, not growth. If North America disappoints or the turnaround timeline slips again, I think there's much more downside than upside at this valuation.

u/Uesugi1989 6· 2d ago

The stock has performed terribly the last few years. But I totally disagree on the quality drop - price premium compared to the competition. Especially for shoes ( amateur running and stuff ), I have tried many brands and technologies from Adidas, on, Mizuno etc and yet nothing comes close to the nike zoomX outsole. There is no comparison, a 140 bucks Pegasus is miles better than anything else at that price point.

Note however that this is only the case for zoomX shoes, the rest are just mediocre

u/RightCut4940 6· 2d ago

Thinking that flooding the market with their most popular shoes you mentioned - basically meeting demand, is a shit analysis. You're not gonna make money catering to hypebeasts and resellers.

Truth is Trump just kinda killed them.

u/BabyGinaBottle 4· 2d ago

Their sport shoes are now focus on being fashionable than delivering good performance.

u/Money-Commission9304 3· 1d ago

I disagree with this. I’ve been wearing Nike athletic wear and Nike shoes for years at this point and they’re not an issue at all.

The shoes last a while and so does the athletic wear.

That being said this narrative has caught on and I think Nike is just not cool anymore.

u/legible_print 3· 2d ago

What is crazy to me is their e-commerce experience is exceptional. Product info, point of sale, shipping logistics, it’s all amazing.

If they could just get sports and retailers back, that would go so far.

They would need like 90s Spike Lee level marketing with someone like Ohtani or something.