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[Conclusion] 1 year of Selling Weekly "lottos" - Metrics Summary

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Author achieved a 29% yield selling weekly OTM options but notes timing dips is better than a strict time-in-market approach.

Bull points
  • Selling weekly OTM options generated a 29% annualized yield on allocated capital.
  • OTM options have a low probability of being hit, making it favorable for sellers.
Bear points
  • The strategy hasn't been tested in a full bear market like 2022, making its downside risk inconclusive.
  • A strict time-in-market approach without timing dips can lead to larger losses that outweigh gains.
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TLDR: For the past year I experimented with a "time in the market" style selling out of the money weeklies consistently. I made $72,000 using an average of $95,000 per week in a year. But i had $250,000 set aside for this strategy so its really like a 29% yield.

I wasn't able to display how some stocks that were no longer used for weeklies turned out after retraces so this doesn't show the full picture for the portfolio, but the income is accurate.

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The past year was mostly bullish, but there were neutral and bearish weeks and months.

Unfortunately we never really got a full on bear, like 2022 type bear, so thats inconclusive. But I'm pretty sure all investing will suck in that type of down market unless you buy puts, short, or go all cash. But buying puts, shorting, or staying cash sucks in anything except a bear market, so its a tough balance.

I went more for the "time in the market" approach rather than waiting for dips. Typically I'll just sell something on a friday that expires the next friday. If an opportunity did present itself on thursdays or mondays I would try to time the market, but that was less often.

Mostly I was putting a lot of pressure on myself to have something open every week, and I don't think the time in the market approach is ideal for this. Mostly because the losses hit harder than the gains, so if you have some sort of intuition or innate ability, and good patience to time the dips, I think that will lead to more favorable outcomes.

Lastly, some people might disagree with my use of the term "lottos". I was trying to make reasonable salary type income so I wasn't going as far out of the money as some would consider real lottos. But I think anything otm has a low chance of being hit so its still favorable for the seller.

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Totals

For the full year I made a little bit over $72,000. In the first half, which was completely bull market, I made $39,000 using an average of $150,000 collateral per week.

The second half was actually neutral bearish up until the last 2 months, I was on pace to get even worse yield than the first half. But then the market reversed and I jumped into a stock that was going parabolic. Almost 90% of my second half income was made in the last 8 weeks.

I used a lot more of my available collateral in the first half, with 4 of the weeks using more than $200,000. But in the second half I chilled out and used an average of less than 25% of my total available funds.

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Averages

The first half I made more money, but in the second half I had a much higher yield. But again its mostly because of MU pumping the last 2 months than got me there so I believe the second half results are skewed and unrealistic.

Kind of same thing as the totals, the second half had a much higher estimated annual percentage yield, while the first half had a higher annualized dollar amount.

Not including loss weeks, there were 19 weeks where I made less than 1% yield. I also made more than 2% yield for 13 weeks (11 of those weeks were covered calls getting assigned).

9 weeks I did go down in total account value from shares going lower and exceeding the premium received from covered calls, and out of those there were 4 weeks I accounted as lost money from cash secured puts getting assigned lower than my breakeven.

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Fun Metrics

These are all stats I made up and aren't widely used industry standards. They are just fun for me to look at.

ProfitsFromProfits: This is just taking the total income and multiplying it by my average yield. Right now I can possibly make a little more than $1000 per week using only the profits I have already made. Although it might seem unrealistic, I think having 52 data points makes it more feasible.

SalaryFromProfits: Multiplying profitsfromprofits by 52 weeks it shows I can expect to make almost $55,000 in a year just by continuing with only the profits I've already made. Even getting half of this by reducing risk and going further otm with stable index funds would be really good for me.

DollarsPerHour: Assuming a 40 hour "work week" this is how much I would be making hourly if this was a normal job. This one is important to me because its the only metric that is weighed against a flat amount of time. I think making $35 per hour is pretty respectable for a filthy lotto seller.

WeeksUntil2x: This shows how many more weeks it will take for my total income to equal my average risk. At that point I would consider it a "house money" account. At my current rate I should get there in 4-5 months.

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Ratios and Assignments

For the full year I had 19 out of 108 unique options get assigned. 14 of 47 calls, and only 5 out of 61 puts.

Getting almost 1/3rd of my calls assigned is probably the most revealing statistic. Its very clear this whole year was a bull market from that alone, and a big chunk of my profits came from selling shares at a way higher price than I bought them just a week before.

I usually sold calls around 10-20% out of the money so getting that many calls assigned within 5-7 days is pretty wild in my opinion. I was expecting the assignment rate for calls to be similar to the puts.

The first half my call put ratio was pretty even, but in the second half I sold way more puts, mainly because I didn't want to buy shares outright as often.

I also only allowed 1 contract to expire worthless this whole time. I think its better to buy to close and have the ability to use that collateral for the next week immediately rather than having to wait over the weekend.  I also think its not worth holding an option thats already down 80-95% for a tiny bit more gain, when you can go to the next one and get more premium.

(PS that one contract I let expire worthless was a covered call as the put leg of a covered strangle was getting assigned)

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Flaws

There are some issues with my reporting that I'll be fixing with my next series. The main one is I didn't have a good system to show whats going on with my shares if they aren't being used for weeklies.

For example the 400 TTWO shares that I bought for the purpose of selling weeklies on all the way back in January just started to recover, but I've had to resort to selling 3 month covered calls on them since then.

I tried to show a "roster" in previous posts but it really wasn't a good way to display the shares and their status. So I'll be trying for a total portfolio type of update which shows the full picture rather than just the income gained from selling options.

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Retraces suck

I'm talking about big retraces, like 20-30% or more. Corrections are really bad for this strategy because you are only getting pieces on the way up, but you take the full hit on the way down. So if you are continuously buying higher your cost average continues going up. Then one big downturn will take all your little gains, and if it doesn't bounce then you are stuck.

I had many stocks that retraced from their highs and never came back. NFLX, HOOD, META, RDDT, and IBIT were a few of my stocks I was using for weeklies that retraced and stayed down. I still had a positive return on them, but most of my profits evaporated before I closed those positions.

The TTWO was my worst retrace. At one point I was up $60,000 from trading and writing options, and when it went from 260 to 190 in February I lost that entire gain and was even negative for a few days. 9 months of consistent gains just evaporated in 2-3 weeks, absolutely brutal. Thats why I took a 4 week break in the second half where I didn't trade at all. I'm back to up $30,000 profits on it now after it recovered back to 240 recently.

More of my picks corrected down from their peaks than my stocks that stayed high or continued appreciating, and in the end my weekly lotto selling mostly just saved my ass and I didn't even beat SPY. I'll blame my bad picks and not the strategy itself.

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Closing Statements

Weeklies ended up being better than I expected so I will continue with just the total income I made, but I'll take the pressure off by trying to time the dips better instead of always having a contract open.

I'll also just continue this with mostly index funds instead of trying to find individual stocks that may or may not beat QQQ or SPY. To me its not worth it trying to find stocks that can go up 200% or down 50% when the total market funds are doing so well. I have mostly individual stocks right now and am slowly transitioning to a goal of mostly index funds.

Let me know if you have any questions and I'll try to answer them the best I can.

Thats it for me. Thanks for reading and good luck in your writing derivative contract adventures.

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Disclaimers

I'm really sorry but I have to add these in here. These apply to all of my weekly lotto posts.

  1. All my positions are covered with cash and shares. I don't use margin.
  1. I am mostly ok with buying and selling the shares if assigned. Sometimes it hurts my feelings for like 5 minutes though.
  1. This is a small portion of my account experimenting with weeklies.
  1. I don't have a degree in finance or work in the investment field. Just a normal dude that learned about this sharing my choices and results.
  1. And I know its unpopular to say this here, but I don't consider this free money. All investing carries the risk of losses which is why we get paid such a high premium.
Discussion · top comments15 selected
u/ReblWithoutApplause 1· 15h ago

Commenting to come back to later.

u/Muted-Pace-5706 1· 2h ago

the part that doesnt get said enough is that not beating SPY in a bull year is actually the honest result for most premium sellers, not a failure. the lottos strategy is really a volatility harvesting play, and when realized vol runs below IV consistently you collect, but the opportunity cost of sitting in cash-secured puts while the underlying rips is real. the interesting test is what this same approach does in a choppy or down year when buy-and-hold bleeds and the premium keeps coming in.

u/Kermitmeerak 1· 4h ago

What are you using to trade and track all that?

u/amiablerobby83 1· 14h ago

Watching your TTWO story play out through the post was rough. Nine months of grinding wiped out in 2-3 weeks is the kind of thing that makes you question everything. I had a similar situation years ago where I was up a nice chunk on a stock, then watched it gap down pre-market and had to decide whether to take the loss or hold and hope. Spoiler, hope isnt a strategy.

Your pivot to index funds makes a lot of sense to me. Chasing individual names for weeklies feels like picking up pennies in front of a steamroller when youve got a steady index fund to lean on. SPY or QQQ weeklies probably get you 80 percent of the result without the overnight gap risk keeping you up at night.

Also appreciate you being upfront that this didnt beat SPY despite all that work. Most people wouldnt include that part.

u/quod-inquisitio 1· 14h ago

whats your max drawdown?

u/himanbansal 1· 13h ago

I didn't check that specifically but my roughest moment was november 2025 when there was a big tech pullback, and then january and february with the financial and software pullback hurt too.

u/crash404 1· 15h ago

\> Its very clear this whole year was a bull market from that alone, and a big chunk of my profits came from selling shares at a way higher price than I bought them just a week before.

Does that mean for your income you included the profit from selling the shares or only premiums?

I'm doing somewhat the same for monthly. I sell on Fridays or, as you suggested, if there is a good opportunity, during the week for a month out. I'm using only 40k (60k if I see a good opportunity), but my picks are much more volatile. B/c of that, I'm tracking that premiums alone should net me at least the capital risk back by EOY.

Really great post though, thanks for sharing. Your nonstandard metrics are neat and I think I'll have to copy those.

u/himanbansal 1· 14h ago

If the covered call was assigned then I included realized profits from selling the shares.

There were times when the shares went up but not enough to get assigned and in those cases I only included the premiums from the calls.

u/himanbansal 1· 15h ago

I mostly look at how much premium I can get and if it is sufficiently out of the money. Then I look at the implied volatility %, delta, and theta.

For example since QQQ fell 5% last week and is almost 700, I am looking at the 7/2 690 or even 7/10 680 for cash secured puts. These are where I can get around half to 1% yield.

The IV% on those are above 30%, and the theta value exceeds the delta so they fit my standards.

I didn't open either of those positions yet but might tomorrow.

u/himanbansal 1· 15h ago

The only one I kept was TTWO. I gave the others a chance but if the income was still underperforming then I sold them and rebalanced to the few of my stocks that were doing better.

u/TastyTrading 1· 3h ago

For someone as serious in the wheel as you. Definitely check out ThetaPal

u/Mean_Office_6966 1· 15h ago

I see sorry how do you decide to cut losses. It’s very admirable that you could cut losses. I like the part where you mentioned that corrections are bad for the strategy as we take full hit on the way down.

u/himanbansal 1· 15h ago

It is cutting losses but in a different way. For an income strategy I think of it kind of like employees in a business.

So lets say you have a bucket factory and you have 5 employees. 4 of the employees are doing good and making you 100 buckets a day, but one is messing up and only getting you 20 buckets a day.

It would be in the best interest to cut that one guy out if they don't pick it up, and replace them with one that can meet the standards.

u/KingCharles559 1· 10h ago

Great analogy

u/Physical_Cookie_5824 1· 15h ago

interesting. thanks for sharing your work